here is a plan to throw the entire organization into chaos.
many of the 'apostates' here believe in the ransom of jesus - and the command to partake of the 'communion' of the lords evening meal, right?
i have come to accept that that 'memorial' is simply a recognition of jesus' sacrifice.
Yes, IMO is how I started that post. But lets look at your last statement:
True the belief is that jesus christ was michael the archangel but the point of the celebration is to remember that the "man" jesus christ died to cancel out the sin of adam that brought the curse of death along with it and that those excercising faith in christ might not be destroyed .If it is not a celebration to the Archangel Michael, than it is to a "man", equally as blasphemous.
hi there, i'm new to the board and have turned here for advice.
i am a new teacher and have a child in my class who is a jw.
as i know nothing about the religion i thought i would ask here.. i am aware that he will not be able to take part in re or religious assemblies or christmas activities.
here is a plan to throw the entire organization into chaos.
many of the 'apostates' here believe in the ransom of jesus - and the command to partake of the 'communion' of the lords evening meal, right?
i have come to accept that that 'memorial' is simply a recognition of jesus' sacrifice.
My thought is that the WTS beleives that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. So if you participate in the eating and drinking, who are you doing it to? You said that it symbolic reference to Jesus' suffering.
including wine and bread which of were to be used in the symbolic referrence to jesus suffering .
So those that participate are doing so in celebration to an angel.
Heathen, when I participate at my church, I do so to remembering that Jesus died as a substitute for me. But he was not a substitute for God, I do not eat or drink to angels or the cross itself. A Christian Rock singer (sorry do not know his name) says in reference to Christ dieing on the cross, "It is not because of who I am, but because of what you have done. It is not because of what I have done, but because of who you are." Triple A
i felt it hypocritical to take a turkey abviously meant for thanksgiving.
i didn't like buying the easter candy after easter either as it was "food sacrificed to idols".. years ago at a place i worked they gave out a xmas bonus which i returned.
( a few hundred dollars which we sure could have used) they assured me that it was an "end of the year" bonus.
As an outsider I admit that when my JW friend told me that she was going to work at a Christmas party serving food. Will I thought, "Isn't that helping Babylon the Great?" Than she started talking about how she liked working this dinner, since the lady always gave the servers extra for cash for working the celebration (not her word). Again I thought, "Isn't that excepting a gift which was given in the spirit of Christmas?"
here is a plan to throw the entire organization into chaos.
many of the 'apostates' here believe in the ransom of jesus - and the command to partake of the 'communion' of the lords evening meal, right?
i have come to accept that that 'memorial' is simply a recognition of jesus' sacrifice.
a rejection feast
IMO it is the Catch 22 of the WTS.
If you attend and pass the wine and bread, you are rejecting Christ.
If you partake of the wine and bread, than you drinking and eating to an Angel.
So, no matter which you do it is wrong.
the wts is always telling us how they differ from mainstream christianity.
so my question is how are they the same?
more specifically in structure not doctrine, that is another topic.. examples:.
The WTS is always telling us how they differ from mainstream Christianity. So my question is how are they the same? More specifically in structure not doctrine, that is another topic.
Examples:
The Catholics have Rome, the Mormons have Salt Lake, the Muslims have Mecca, and the WTS has Brooklyn
Catholics have their pope
Mormons have their prophets
Muslims have their clarics
WTS have their governing body
hey everybody
i found this site whilst looking for some other jw info.
it may have been posted before.
From the standpoint of religion history, JWs are just another Christian, even Protestant sect.
From a stand point that the WTS is a off shot of the Adventist and the Dawn Bible students are an off shot of the WTS this is true.
Organizationally, they are more like the Roman Catholics.
Doctrinally they are not like either Protestant or Catholic.
hey everybody
i found this site whilst looking for some other jw info.
it may have been posted before.
So what? Jesus is a corrupted form of Yeshua, more accurately translated into English as Joshua. Funny how Christians never want to play the name game over that.
God's name is Jehovah Bible says God's name is YHVH (
Christ is God's Son and is inferior to him Christ is God. He took on the form of man to come to earth. *John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16,
Mongo,
Most Christians accept the use of Johovah as God's name. They are not saying not to use Jehovah, but it is also not used in that form anywhere in the orginal text Hebrew or Greek. Most JWs know this, but most talk like the orginal New Testemant writers did use Jehovah in their writings. I have never had anyone tell me not to use Jehovah.
When A JW tells me that I do not use the name of God, I like to remind them that Yeshua means,"YHWH Salvation". So I most certainly do use it, although I use it in its common anglo form of Jesus. Also I like to use YHWH instead of Jehovah or God when talking to JWs. It seams to throw them off their game a little.
Triple A
my sister will not allow my nieces to go to the amusement park with me this weekend if my disfellowshipped niece (other sister's 20 yr. old daughter) comes along.. my family is aware that i have my doubts and complaints against the org and that i am living in sin with my boyfriend, and they still talk to me.
not that i am complaining.
i am grateful.. but i had to stick up for my df'ed niece today.
I agree with Hubert, you do the right thing sticking up for your niece. I hope she appreciates the love you have shown. Of course she may never know what you have done.
i still haven't got mine.
but i think the hubby had a good sense of humor when he thought of tim horton.
i mean how fitting for an ex jw.
Sorry meant Tim Horton, but still do not understand.
): Pronunciation "Jehovah" was instituted by Christian scholars in 12th century